Showing posts with label K4P. Show all posts
Showing posts with label K4P. Show all posts

Wednesday, March 19, 2014

Meat, Poultry, Fish at Passover

Some things need
K4P, others don't

 

According to R. Ya'aqob Menashe in his Torah Minute for 17 March/15 Adar, A man should inquire about the halakhoth (laws) of Pesah (Passover) thirty days before Pesah to teach himself, during these days, all laws pertinent to the holiday of Pesah, every day.

Do otherwise kosher meat, poultry, and fish need special Kosher for Passover (K4P) certification?

It depends on who you ask.

If you ask the local kosher market, the answer probably will be "They do (require specialK4P certification)."

And the butcher may be correct - for that particular store.

On the other hand, if you ask the Orthodox Union (the OU), the answer is "No, providing …"

Others weighing in on the question include:

* Jewish Virtual Library

* Ohr Somayach

* Shemay Israel

* Vaad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle

* Young Israel of Staten Island (YISI)

 

WITH THE EXCEPTION of the Vaad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle, all kashrut organizations in the U.S. are strictly Ashkenazi. Seattle's 2014 list is a mix of Sefardi and Ashkenazi and both are clearly marked. The cRc's list for 2014 flags products that are kitniyot and suggests that readers "contact their local Sefardi rabbi" to determine if the product is K4P for Sefardim and Mizrachim.


Seattle Vaad Sample Page

 

Since the entry was first written, the Jersey Shore Orthodox Rabbinate has revived its Recommended Passover Product List For Sephardic Communities so now there are again two trustworthy Sefardi lists.

The JSOR discontinued its list for 2013, relying on other (Ashkenazi) lists.

I'm glad its back.

Orthodox UnionThe OU's opinion comes from its web site and states that "Cuts of raw meat can be remedied for Pesach by an effective rinsing of their surface under cold water. Ground meat, though, cannot be sufficiently “cleansed” by rinsing as the meat is often processed in grinders that also process chametz-containing products such as kishke. Without a thorough sanitation of the machinery between different products, the ground meat can potentially contain actual kishke particles – nullifying its use for Pesach.
Products from local butcher stores and supermarkets, with the plethora of products (including Chametz ones) being processed nearby, cannot be recommended without a there being a special Passover program in place – even for raw meat and poultry products."

Vaad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle GENERAL SEPHARDIC POSITION: Meats, Chicken, Fish, Fruits, Fresh Vegetables, etc. and all natural non-Chametz foods are naturally Kasher, whether these products are bought specifically for Pesach or not, they can be washed before and used for Pesach. - Vegetables (frozen & fresh: Many vegetables may be used on Pesach. Frozen vegetables: It is preferred to buy fresh. However, if it is hard to find the same quality in fresh - frozen vegetables may be purchased before and then used for Pesach even though sometimes they are blanched in the same equipment as pasta. We don’t worry about absorbed residue on commercial equipment if the food is bought before Pesach. - Canned fruits and vegetables: Even though some manufacturers produce cheese and other items it does not affect the clean production of vegetables.

Star K The Star K puts out its annual Star K Passover Director; it's 2014 version already is on the WWW. The K4P list suitable for Ashkenazi - products containing kitniyot are listed as "not kosher for Passover." The 2014 guide states under the heading Meat and Poultry, Packaged that Fresh raw meant and poultry bearing a reliable kosher certification may be used on Passover, however, all ground meat and poultry require K4P certification.
Under the Fish, Frozen Raw that Frozen raw fish with no added ingredients, bearing a reliable kosher certification does not have Pesach concerns. (Exception - Individual vacuum=packed frozen salmon pieces should be used with K4P symbol of certifying agency approval).

Jewish Virtual Library The JVL's web site is unequivocal, with the caveat: "All fresh fruits and vegetables, fish and meats are kosher for Pesach as long as they have not come into contact with chametz."

Young Israel of Staten Island (YISI) states in a PDF file that "All frozen or fresh raw meat and poultry with kosher supervision in original factory packaging."

Shemay Israel SI's site tends to obfuscate by stating that "Meats and Poultry: All brands of raw poultry are kosher for Passover year round. After your butcher "koshers" for Pesach, all raw varieties of meat, cut chicken and veal are acceptable." That leaves me with the question: If you buy before the store is kashered (made kosher) for Passover, are the products K4P?

Answers via email in the order received.

* Ohr Somayach: R. Reuven Lauffer writes from Jerusalem that "It is absolutely essential that all meat, fowl and fish have special Pesach supervision." March 17/15 Adar 2

* Chicago Rabbinical Council: R. Sholem Fishbane responds for crcweb.org that "Usually meat and poultry from the factory does not (require a special certification {ed.})but from a store would need. Not sure about fish though." March 17/15 Adar 2

* OK   Miriam Wudowsky writes that The cryovac bags have a starch inside which could be (corn) kitniyos. They get special starchless ones for P.

KASHRUT.COM If the question is "Is it kosher?" or "Is it safe?" Arlene J. Mathes-Scharf's Kashrut.com is, without a doubt, the best gateway to the world of kashrut and food safety.

Ms. Mathes-Scharf's weekly emails (free subscription) and web site collects

* information about things kosher from the major certifying agencies in the U.S. and elsewhere

* identifies general food health alerts from the U.S. and elsewhere

* lists organizations with special K4P lists

among other things of interest to people who eat.

Kashrut.com is the Google of kosher information. (I prefer Dogpile's search engine, but that wouldn't sound good when talking about food.)

ALWAYS CHECK Kashrut.com's Passover Alerts before heading to the market.

Some K4P lists

cRc http://www.crcweb.org/Passover/2014/complete_passover_guide-2014.pdf (2014) 65 pp of everything from pre-Pesach prep to what to put on the table - and how.

COR - Kashrut Council of Canada http://www.kashrut.com/Passover/pdf/CORPassoverGuide-2014.pdf (2014) English only

Jersey Shore Orthodox Rabbinate (JSOR) http://www.jsor.org/2014Passoverlist.pdf (2014)

MK Canada http://mk.ca/f2/ 188 pp in English and French.

OU http://issuu.com/oukosher/docs/passoverguide14/1?e=2900859/7057805 (2014) - Note this Guide is 100 pages long.

Scroll K / Vaad Hakashrus of Denver
http://www.kashrut.com/Passover/pdf/ScrollK_2014.pdf (2014) Includes form to sell hametz.

Star K http://www.star-k.org/PassoverDirectory2014_Web.pdf (2014) - Note this Guide is 126 pages long.

KosherQuest http://kosherquest.org/magazine_flip/ 32 pp including advertisements (2014)

Va’ad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle http://seattlevaad.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/SEATTLE-VAAD-2014_5774-PASSOVER-DIRECTORY.pdf (2014)

Thursday, February 28, 2013

Sefardi's lament

K4P lists

Arlene J. Mathes-Scharf 's Kashrut.com ended up in my email inbox the other day.

Ms. Mathes-Scharf is a Food Scientist - Kosher Food Specialist working out of Sharon, MA (she has by sympathies for the winter weather). She is my "go-to" person not only for kashrut alerts but also alerts from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA). She watches all the lists and boils the important items down to a paragraph or two, and cites her sources. I heartily recommend that everyone sign up for her free e-newsletter at http://www.kashrut.com.

ANYWAY, she has posted links to a number of Kosher for Passover (K4P) lists at http://www.kashrut.com/Passover/. Among the lists are the "usual suspects" and a number of others. All told, she has links to the following certifying agencies:

    Australia Kashrut Authority Passover Guide
    Beth Din of Paris
    Congregation K'Hal Adath Jeshurun
    COR Passover Page
    Council Of Orthodox Rabbis Of Greater Detroit
    cRc 2013 Passover Information
    Jersey Shore Orthodox Rabbinate *
    Kashrut Maguen David (Mexico)
    Kosher Australia
    London Beit Din Passover Page
    MK Passover Guide
    OK
    OU Passover Information
    Passover 2012 Magazine by Rabbi Eidlitz
    Rabbinical Council of New England
    Star-K
    Vaad Hakashrus of Denver Pesach (March 2012) Newsletter
    Va'ad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle

Israel Rabbinate Medicine List
Kehilas Yaakov Medicine List

Since we follow Sefardi (Moroccan) customs in our house, in the past I have relied primarily on two lists: Jersey Shore Orthodox Rabbinate and Va'ad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle.

This year, the Jersey Shore list includes a line on its first page that reads:

"There will not be a Passover List for Sephardim"

All questions are to be directed to a Rabbi Zvi Holland at Star K. Is there a difference between what the Star-K lists as K4P and what R. Holland will tell what could be thousands of callers? Equally important, what are R. Holland's Sefardi/Mizrachi credentials; he studied at, according to one of his two LinkedIn profiles, the Mir Yeshiva.

The Va'ad HaRabanim of Greater Seattle may be no better. A quick check of its Web site provides last year's (2012) document but, unlike previous years, it fails to list specific products; lots of good generic information, but from a "go to market" perspective, nothing worthwhile.

The cRc list at http://www.crcweb.org/passover2013.php doesn't really list Sefardi/Mizrachi items, but it does note that when cRc declares something not K4P, it notes why. See http://www.crcweb.org/Passover/Shopping%20Guide%202013-KM%20(Jan%202013).pdf and the following illustration.


Since the Ashkenazim avoid kitniyot during Pesach, and since the cRc is mostly by/of/for Ashkenazim, all products containing kitniyot are labeled NOT K4P - but with the explanation "kitniyot."

For all that, none of the lists are "final authorities" unless the rabbi you follow happens to be the organization's final authority.

As many Sefardi and Mizrachi families as we have in the U.S., it is more than sad that, it seems, everyone - including Sefardim and Mizrachim - has caved to the Ashkenazi customs.

There is nothing wrong with Ashkenazi customs; they simply are neither Sefardi nor Mizrachi customs.

Interestingly, in Israel, due to "mixed marriages,*" many rabbis are allowing customs to merge for שלום בית, peace in the home. But then, it seems Israelis - save for the extremists - are willing to welcome others' customs, e.g., rice on Pesach in Moroccan homes (brought to us by a Syrian in-law), and memunah, once shunned and now a national holiday. (Our guests for muflata include Iraqis, Yemenites, and others who "just happen" to drop by, and of course the Moroccan contingent.)

* Mixed marriages: Sefardim with Ashkenazim; what did you think?